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http://www.gymjones.com/schedule.php?date=20090418

Always interesting reading, I get exhausted just perusing their workouts.

And I think it's obvious what this comment is targetting:
If one was disingenuously pushing a particular style of training it would be easy to use Nate's example to suggest that, "you can run a marathon PR by doing short duration, high intensity work, and lifting weights in our gym." The truth is that, while Nate took a unique path to this marathon, it was no shortcut.
In context:
SLC Marathon:
Nate = 3hrs 11min
"15min faster than my previous best marathon with about half the run training. I seemed to be very durable to the impact of eccentric contractions, which typically destroys me. This is truly a testament to the work I do at Gym Jones, which in this case has yielded much better results than I have gotten with 'specificity' alone. And, for the doubters, I can say that as a cycling endurance athlete, I have only gotten stronger on the bike while I've incorporated the appropriate complementary gym work into my weekly training."

If one was disingenuously pushing a particular style of training it would be easy to use Nate's example to suggest that, "you can run a marathon PR by doing short duration, high intensity work, and lifting weights in our gym." The truth is that, while Nate took a unique path to this marathon, it was no shortcut. For the last four months he trained 2x/week at Gym Jones, rode a bike or trainer about 10 hours per week, ran 1-2x/week, and did one gym session in his garage each week. His PR was not the result of a secret method, instead he followed the age-old, tried and true method: hard, mindful work. To be sure, he ran less than most would (roughly 18 miles per week). But he developed endurance capacities on the bike, inoculated his legs against abuse in the gym, and stacked this on top of a long history of endurance effort, which includes seven marathons worth of experience. I was not surprised by his speed today. I was however surprised by the lack of damage, and I suspect he will recover quickly over the next few days -- maybe enough to train in the gym on Tuesday. It's not a miracle but it shows (again) that one may reach an objective by several different means.
I stand by my comments mid-last year (or so I think), where I mentioned that I would not be surprised to see a CF endurance, CF strength etc, as CF realises the limitations of it's existing WOD structure and has to start specializing. No foul, though; CF is a newcomer to the S&C scene and hence still has a lot of development to progress before it "stabilizes" (if such a beast exists in the also-young S&C scene!).

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Then won't it lose it's plot - GPP/SPP debate etc... which it set out to achieve and start borrowing ideas and reintegrating back into the usual programming/periodization etc..
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Weib wrote:Then won't it lose it's plot - GPP/SPP debate etc... which it set out to achieve and start borrowing ideas and reintegrating back into the usual programming/periodization etc..
don't understand what you just wrote (I think your hunger pangs are affecting your ability to read, think and t@&e c0he1234y).

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not really but seriously, if its start specializing then won't it lose it plot?
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xarope wrote:
Weib wrote:Then won't it lose it's plot - GPP/SPP debate etc... which it set out to achieve and start borrowing ideas and reintegrating back into the usual programming/periodization etc..
don't understand what you just wrote (I think your hunger pangs are affecting your ability to read, think and t@&e c0he1234y).

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I'm not here to defend CF, but I would say the core principles are there which have been sorely neglected by mainstream for a while, e.g. the running/cycling/swimming crowd, at the expense of strength, flexibility, mobility etc. I've known of cross training ever since I started training, so it's not new, just packaged and marketed differently.

It would be silly to expect CF not to change over time; as with all S&C coaches and institutes, that have changed their training, nutrition, recovery etc protocols over the years.

If nothing else, 300 (the movie)/CF's popularity allows me to describe one of the ways I work out without the bearing the penumbra of being a "weight lifter" or "body builder".

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Twxian wrote:this is all just dummy text
the web design guy would pick it up... :D

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Just wondering thats all, not attacking nor defending.
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Isn't this similar to what the modern SnC guys are doing? Strength training for corrective work/prevent injury?

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I think the crux is:
1) 1/2 the volume of running
2) as you mentioned, gym work for the eccentric "innoculation"
3) other forms of endurance training
4) hard work full stop.

Still, the milestone for me is for someone to do "minimal" running and yet run sub 3 hours. I think that can realistically only be achieved by a lot (intentionally vague here) of running training (whether past or present), as you need the efficiency not just "brute" endurance (unless you are Lance Armstrong and have a cadre of pacers to push you on), and to not suffer too much after the fact (unlike Armstrong).

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I think we have to note that Gymjones =/= CF - different set of philosophy different objectives.
Mark is borrowing concepts in terms of circuit training from CF but he has imbued other areas of SnC into his practices.
Working "hard," or the perception of working hard, doesn't really mean anything. Sweating, vomiting, and breathing hard could be a good workout or a tropical disease kicking in.-Dan John

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xarope wrote:I'...........describe one of the ways I work out without the bearing the penumbra of being a "weight lifter" or "body builder".
but your just an old guy wearing a wife beater singlet!

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Weib wrote:I think we have to note that Gymjones =/= CF - different set of philosophy different objectives.
Mark is borrowing concepts in terms of circuit training from CF but he has imbued other areas of SnC into his practices.
yes, we are well aware of that.

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jerry.mobbs wrote:
xarope wrote:I'...........describe one of the ways I work out without the bearing the penumbra of being a "weight lifter" or "body builder".
but your just an old guy wearing a wife beater singlet!
Thanks, old man.

BTW we still getting that free meal from you when you come down? :D

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you guys training next sunday?

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We're training on Saturday before the BBQ, but if you're only flying in on Sunday then we could make an exception to kick your ass on Sunday too and drain your wallet at dinner after that :drinkers:

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How about HELEN??
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wapiang u keep doing helen not sian ah. still saying how come the last few workouts all crossfit ones.

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HELEN HELEN HELEN HELEN HELEN!

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So Helen 3 pm Sunday?

Where?

You supply the Kettlebells and I'll buy dinner.

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3pm? Sure, if you wanna suffer a heatstroke, judging from last weekend's weather till now.

We usually meet at 430 and start officially past 5. TPY Stadium.

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ok

5pm is fine

what / where is TPY?

lat/long?

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jerry.mobbs wrote:ok

5pm is fine

what / where is TPY?

lat/long?
http://www.gothere.sg

enter "toa payoh stadium"

if it rains, we go to safra energyone gym next to the stadium. you can see it on the map too.

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i wont be able to make it this time

work calls

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won't be able to make it to the workout...or to singapore?

damn, no dinner again, and the wait continues...

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pm me your mobile number

i'll call you in the afternoon if i can make it

i'm so out of shape with this move to bangladesh that even louis can beat me now!

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it'll be a shame, i'm eating like bangladeshi migrant living in singapore- literally.
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Weib wrote:it'll be a shame, i'm eating like bangladeshi migrant living in singapore- literally.
where got... I have a few bangladeshi friends... my younger brother's colleagues. They really dont eat like u lah bro.
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Sufian wrote:
Weib wrote:it'll be a shame, i'm eating like bangladeshi migrant living in singapore- literally.
where got... I have a few bangladeshi friends... my younger brother's colleagues. They really dont eat like u lah bro.
if i'm not wrong, they eat alot of rice with alot of curry gravy, no?
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