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Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 5:55 pm
by manyu882
Results will be out next week lol. cant wait for it. i gonna pawnt the nurse saying that i eat 15 eggs per day
:mrgreen: if my cholesterol levels score damn well la..
i started eating more than 3 eggs per day on 23/4/09---> see log
and as time passes by, i gradually increase my egg intake to 15-20 eggs per day until today.
so its like 23 days ( almost 3 weeks of high cholesterol intake)

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:11 pm
by galapogos
I'll be taking another one next month too...free courtesy of company...

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:27 pm
by manyu882
galapogos wrote:I'll be taking another one next month too...free courtesy of company...



ahh i paid mine for 12.05 at polyclinic.

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:28 pm
by galapogos
i might opt for something more than the basic check. costs around $50+ sounds not too bad.

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:07 pm
by Ryan.carpediem
be sure to let us know the results man.

I've been eating on average 10-16eggs a day ever since I joined strongman. there was one period when i went up to 20 a day.

The last time I checked my blood pressure is within the healthy range. been getting heart burn though, and I know that not even Charles Poliquin or mario di pasquale recommend eating 16-20 whole eggs a day.

I'm doing it based on faith in Jon Wong, as well as the relatively low cost and long term sustainability of eating lots of eggs. =x

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:28 pm
by aaron
i do average 30, max 60 :shock: :oops: i should do one too hahaha

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:08 am
by manyu882
aaron wrote:i do average 30, max 60 :shock: :oops: i should do one too hahaha



wtf .. ownage

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:12 am
by galapogos
you don't get a prize for eating the most eggs you know...

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 3:57 pm
by manyu882
Results:
Cholesterol 6.82 mmol/L (off scale, High)
triglycerides 0.42 mmol/L (off scale, super low)
HDL 1.78 mmol/L (off scale, High)
LDL 4.85 mmol/L (high)
CHol: HDL ratio 3.83

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:07 pm
by vicvic
ER THAT IS HIGHER THAN MY READING!

FASTER GO REPORT TO YOUR MO GET PES E STATUS!

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:11 pm
by manyu882
vicvic wrote:ER THAT IS HIGHER THAN MY READING!

FASTER GO REPORT TO YOUR MO GET PES E STATUS!



can meh? dont want.. i go in then report so can get more pay.. ahah

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:21 pm
by KEVIN LIM
manyu882 wrote:Results:
Cholesterol 6.82 mmol/L (off scale, High)
triglycerides 0.42 mmol/L (off scale, super low)
HDL 1.78 mmol/L (off scale, High)
LDL 4.85 mmol/L (high)
CHol: HDL ratio 3.83



So whats the verdict????

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:33 pm
by galapogos
wah how come yours uses mmol/L unit one. i dunno how to compare to mine...

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:40 pm
by manyu882
galapogos wrote:wah how come yours uses mmol/L unit one. i dunno how to compare to mine...

haha lol.. compare Total Cho/HDL ratio can liao..

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:49 pm
by xarope
according to this (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/ ... ekey=14631), you want to aim for <4.5 (which is the average) for the total chol:HDL ratio.

But then they talk of LDL <80-100, so that doesn't work on the results scale for Manyu.

Another article: http://www.lifeclinic.com/focus/cholest ... sageID=247

i.e. 3.83 is average.

But really, what did the doctor say?

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:50 pm
by manyu882
lol i didnt consult the doc.. just take my result get my ass out from the clinic

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:57 pm
by Steph_Parker
wait, let me post mine too. heh.

cholesterol 5.84 mmol/L Borderline high
Triglycerdes 0.38 Desirable <1.7 mmol/L
HDL-C 2.81 High>=1.6 mmol/L
LDL-C 2.86 Desirable 2.6-3.3 mmol/L
Chol: HDL Ratio 2.08 >4.5 High Risk for CHD

My HDL is very very high.... thus my cholesterol level is borderline high...
Manyu, your LDL also quite high eh.
But your chol:HDL ratio is optimal range so I guess should be ok.

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:06 pm
by manyu882
wah ur score damn low... ahhaok la. wait for another 30 days.. if my result still in optimal..then egg will be my main protein intake...

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:17 pm
by xarope
did they ask you to fast 12 hours before the test?

what's the point of going for the test if you don't wait for a qualified opinion?

Just remember, Manyu, everything in moderation. The human species didn't evolve to predominantly eat eggs, don't presuppose you can one-up mother nature... she'll have the last laugh.

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:25 pm
by M.Hunter
xarope wrote: don't presuppose you can one-up mother nature... she'll have the last laugh.



Man, she's a bastard.

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:33 pm
by manyu882
xarope wrote:did they ask you to fast 12 hours before the test?

what's the point of going for the test if you don't wait for a qualified opinion?

Just remember, Manyu, everything in moderation. The human species didn't evolve to predominantly eat eggs, don't presuppose you can one-up mother nature... she'll have the last laugh.


quite true. yea. the website say must fast for 8-10 hrs.. so i did a fast for 10 hrs.
i'm doing another test next month to compare the results. from there its up forme to decide to eat lots of eggs

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:50 pm
by galapogos
Mine just requires 8 hour fast. Which is a lot liao. I was frigging hungry waiting for my test the last time.

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:54 pm
by Canuck eh
galapogos wrote:Mine just requires 8 hour fast. Which is a lot liao. I was frigging hungry waiting for my test the last time.


Mine was 10pm the night before...

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:40 pm
by manyu882
ok.. i just found this interesting info saying that if the triglycerides are low, and the LDL is high, most likely that the LDL contains more pattern A(less dense, not easily oxidised) sub-fractions than pattern-B( easily oxidised and more closely related to heart disease). since there are no URLs to those research he pointed out, i shall not take it as what he says are all true. look below

LDL cholesterol can be broken down into two kinds, pattern A and pattern B. LDL pattern A is large fluffy particles that are less dense than pattern B and not easily oxidized. LDL pattern A is essentially benign with respect to heart disease. LDL pattern B on the other hand is small dense particles that are easily oxidized and more closely associated with heart disease. It has been theorized that the harm to the arteries is associated with oxidized cholesterol. Ok, enough about that. To summarize, LDL pattern B (think small dense BBs) is bad, LDL pattern A (light and fluffy) is not a problem.

Now you would think that the lab actually measured your LDL, but they likely didn’t. Most labs just calculate LDL from the following equation:

LDL = Total Cholesterol - HDL - triglycerides/5

So from this, you don’t know if you are predominately LDL pattern A (no big deal) or predominately LDL pattern B (much more risk). Some labs do have the capability to measure the LDL gradient and can determine your predominate LDL pattern type. However, there is another way. Studies have shown that there is a strong correlation between a low triglyceride/high HDL level and LDL pattern A (the non risky kind), and conversely, a high triglyceride/low HDL level is strongly associated with LDL pattern B (the harmful kind). This is one reason that high triglycerides alone are an independent risk factor for heart diease.

Ok, where am I going with this with respect to your situation. Other studies have shown that a high triglyceride/HDL ratio is the best indicator for heart disease risk (approximately 8x better at predicting heart disease risk than high total cholesterol alone). A triglyeride/HDL ratio of 5.0 is moderate risk and the higher the number, the higher the risk, while a ratio of <2.0 is very low risk.

From what I have just described, you can see that with your very low triglyceride level (<100) and moderately high HDL level (>50) you are at very low risk of heart disease. Also, your very low triglyceride level indicates that your LDL is predominately pattern A, the harmless kind. If you are still concerned, you can have your LDL gradient measured to determine your LDL pattern type.

I wouldn’t even remotely consider cholesterol lowering medications without knowing your LDL pattern type to see if there is any risk associated with your lipid levels because there are potential significant side effects (muscle damage, neurological damage, liver damage, even death - i.e. the Baycol recall) associated with many cholesterol lowering medications (statins in particular).

Oh, and I think that your low sugar, lower carbohydrate diet is the way to go to lower your risk of heart disease because of the positive effects it has on triglycerides and HDL.

Alan



another one which i found

Low Density Lipoprotein Cholesterol (LDL) -- "Bad Cholesterol"
Although there is some controversy on this point, LDL cholesterol is considered "bad" in terms of heart disease risk. The relationship between low-carb diets and LDL cholesterol is more complex than with triglycerides and HDL cholesterol. There are some studies in which LDL is reduced on a low-carb diet, some in which it doesn't change, and some in which it goes up. But there is one thing about LDL changes which is consistent with low-carb diets, and that is that it causes a change in cholesterol particle size.

What has particle size got to do with it?
Evidence is accumulating that the size of cholesterol particles has a lot to do with risk for heart disease. Basically, the smaller the particles are, the greater the risk -- it is thought that perhaps the small particles lodge in the walls of blood vessels more easily.
The good news for those of us following a low-carb way of eating is that studies of diet and cholesterol particle size have consistently shown that low-carb diets produce larger-sized cholesterol particles. However, a larger-sized particle weighs more than a smaller one. When LDL does go up on a low-carb diet, it may be due to the larger particles, since weight is what's being measured. (A total cholesterol of 200, for example, means 200 mg per decaliter.)

On the other hand, high-carb diets seem to produce a greater percentage of smaller cholesterol particles in some people. So the total LDL goes down (particles are smaller, so the total is lighter.) While the reading may be low, it can be deceiving as risk goes up in those cases.

A good way to sort out risk? LDL particle size seems to be strongly correlated with triglyceride level (high triglycerides go with small particle size and vice versa). So if your triglycerides are low, your LDL particles are probably larger.


ps: now i'm in low carb diet

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:49 pm
by galapogos
yes i was going to tell you about it. if your tris are low and you're on a low carb diet, don't worry if your LDL is high.

anyway my previous results(mg/dL)
total 166
HDL 41
LDL 113
Total/HDL 4
Tris 57

Dunno how to convert to mmol/L

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:57 pm
by manyu882
http://www.fatfreekitchen.com/cholester ... units.html

x88.57 for triglycerides
x38.67 for total cholesterol, ldl and hdl


so yours convert to mmol/l is

total 4.29
HDL 1.06
LDL 2.92
Total/HDL 4
Tris 0.64

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:57 am
by vicvic
interesting research you got there. thanks manyu. will see what happens in another mth for you

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:48 pm
by galapogos
galapogos wrote:yes i was going to tell you about it. if your tris are low and you're on a low carb diet, don't worry if your LDL is high.

anyway my previous results(mg/dL)
total 166
HDL 41
LDL 113
Total/HDL 4
Tris 57

Dunno how to convert to mmol/L
Current results:
total 174
HDL 44
LDL 118
Total/HDL 4
Tris 63

Everything else ok except slight elevated kidney urea(probably due to high protein) and slight elevated liver sgpt/alt

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:09 pm
by manyu882
still waiting for my result.

Re: Just have a cholesterol check..

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:42 am
by manyu882
Results:
Cholesterol 7.29 mmol/L (off scale, High)
triglycerides 0.35 mmol/L (off scale, super low)
HDL 1.93 mmol/L (off scale, High)
LDL 5.20 mmol/L (off scale, very high)
CHol: HDL ratio 3.79