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aha just on a side note, im interested to know how much your charges' results has improved after the 12 sessions kevin, as in not by percentages but the original timings and scores, and the after timings and scores, think cld share?

galapogos wrote:
Personally I think athletes should be on a need to know basis, unless they sincerely want to know more. Know enough to get the job done, and do it. It's the coach's job to know the "who what where how why when which", but when the athlete in under a good coach, he just has to know "what", and then do it.

aha i agree with goi too, sure if there're no limiting factors, rationale wld be awesome. but on the other hand if rationale wld provide a circumstance in which the athletes question the coaches then neh, id rather keep it simple for me lol jmo though.

its like when i used to be trng say in cathigh, i nvr questioned the medicine balls, they helped(no idea in what sense what i first started doing, but found out myself later) so i just did, never questioned the intervals though the whole team puked like jokers, simply did em. trained in tkd, rattled on my shins with chopsticks and pens and whatnot throughout the day whilst not trng, painful sure but nvr asked why though pretty simple to figure. for myself from an athlete's point of view, id rather shut up, take my program straight out of coach's mouth and just do it first, ask the questions later cos i realise too many questions ah and i dont feel like doing alr.

aaron wrote:aha just on a side note, im interested to know how much your charges' results has improved after the 12 sessions kevin, as in not by percentages but the original timings and scores, and the after timings and scores, think cld share?

I'm interested too. Wish SAJC had PE teachers/coaches like you guys too that would revolutionize the training methods and results. Perhaps tt's the reason why VJC got first for nearly all the sports categories that we got second in.

Ryan.carpediem wrote:

aaron wrote:aha just on a side note, im interested to know how much your charges' results has improved after the 12 sessions kevin, as in not by percentages but the original timings and scores, and the after timings and scores, think cld share?

I'm interested too. Wish SAJC had PE teachers/coaches like you guys too that would revolutionize the training methods and results. Perhaps tt's the reason why VJC got first for nearly all the sports categories that we got second in.

Haha, you wouldn't want Sufian as your PE teacher. He will pick on you every day

galapogos wrote: Haha, you wouldn't want Sufian as your PE teacher. He will pick on you every day

Hahaha,well said...

Ryan you won't get to slack with Sufian as your PE teacher...

I have a lot of trust in using CrossFit as a strength and conditioning tool for performance in athletes. Just look at team 300. Everyone who comes consistently has improved.

This the reason why, as soon as I can, I want to go for certification. Most prob by 2010.

galapogos wrote:

Ryan.carpediem wrote:

aaron wrote:aha just on a side note, im interested to know how much your charges' results has improved after the 12 sessions kevin, as in not by percentages but the original timings and scores, and the after timings and scores, think cld share?

I'm interested too. Wish SAJC had PE teachers/coaches like you guys too that would revolutionize the training methods and results. Perhaps tt's the reason why VJC got first for nearly all the sports categories that we got second in.

Haha, you wouldn't want Sufian as your PE teacher. He will pick on you every day

In all honesty, I do not want to revolutionise the system; what I want to do is to improve it. Small little steps of success slowly would lead to more susteainble gains in the long run.

And, I would not allow any student to dictate the way I conduct my lessons. I would still want my students to run the 2.4km run, when training for the IPPt. Haha. Even though some personal instructor says that 400m intervals are the way to go. I will definitely use Intervals in training, but 2.4km runs will still be used for adaptation and time trials.

Anyway, I just dont like students to question my authority. I dont think any teacher likes that. Although I always provide options, I would not allow mayhem.

On the 2.4, run it under 10 now and you can train any which way you like. Otherwise, STFU!!!



Oh wait, have seconds



(Of course, you could substitute 2.4 for any subject)

Besides, as much as I see the world in B&W, it doesn't hurt in most cases to listen to a different POV

I think you have to take the crossfit and performance with pinch of salt.
We do not play sports for a living, we get adapted to the circuit like exercise regime but that doesn't translate to performance on the field/court or in the pool.

It will account for nothing, if you the best timings in a circuit but there is little or no performance benefit in the sport.

With my interaction with many active coaches in the US for highschool/college and professional sports on strengthcoach.com, there are many many factors/variables to take into consideration.
Metabolic conditioning and strength endurance is a very very small part of the bigger program, compared to power/strength and movement/speed.
Don't put all your eggs into one basket without having to try out with people who do play sports, but don't be afraid to keep evolve and changing.

If i had to trust an advocate of CF here versus a person in the trenches there, i'd rather take their advice.

I doubt Sufian intends to do only CF with his athletes/students. It will most probably simply be a method of GPP for them, while still doing the specific skill training and strength training. And probably only for athletes who require GPP in the 1st place.

wa seh.

okay what i think is.

From a client's point of view :

No interest to know. Just want results.
You tell me(those theory things lah, like simi fall down got serotonin rush or whatever), also one ear in, one ear out, also no exam, listen for wad.
I do already, useful, auto will rmb one.
I pay money, bo ko leng i dun do, if i dun do means i really what also don't have, only got money.



OKAY BACK TO FUNDUS PHOTO VIEWING BABES

Weib wrote:I think you have to take the crossfit and performance with pinch of salt.
We do not play sports for a living, we get adapted to the circuit like exercise regime but that doesn't translate to performance on the field/court or in the pool.

Oh really, how do you justify that?

Weib wrote:It will account for nothing, if you the best timings in a circuit but there is little or no performance benefit in the sport.

One of the few sensible things you have ever said.

Now go and ask the Navy Seals the impact its had on their training, or the USMC Sniper School, or the Jacksonville Sheriffs Department in Florida, or the Canadian Armed Forces, or Erin Canfaro (Beijing US Womens Rowing Team), or Kelly More (first female US Master of Sport awards for Girevoy sport).......

Don't take my recommendation, take theirs.

Weib wrote:With my interaction with many active coaches in the US for highschool/college and professional sports on strengthcoach.com, there are many many factors/variables to take into consideration.
Metabolic conditioning and strength endurance is a very very small part of the bigger program, compared to power/strength and movement/speed.
Don't put all your eggs into one basket without having to try out with people who do play sports, but don't be afraid to keep evolve and changing.

Well now you let your self down. You just mentioned Metabolic conditioning and Strength endurance. Hellooooo, Louis...... Read the freely available crossfit information thats out there

TUESDAY 090203
Back Squat 5-5-5-5-5 reps

WEDNESDAY 090128
Thruster 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 reps

SATURDAY 090124
"CrossFit Total"
Back squat, 1 rep
Shoulder Press, 1 rep
Deadlift, 1 rep

Taken from http://www.crossfit.com since Jan 21

And do we need to mention

WEDNESDAY 090121
For time:
15 Handstand push-ups
1 L Pull-up
13 Handstand push-ups..........
......
1 Handstand push-up
15 L Pull-ups

Hardly metcon

Weib wrote:If i had to trust an advocate of CF here versus a person in the trenches there, i'd rather take their advice.

In your desire to make a point about crossfit, you merely prove to us all that you cannot even be bothered to read.

Notice how I never say that crossfit is better than anything Boyle and co are doing? Its because i cannot see the magnitude of the adaptation, nor the rate of adaptation, nor the injury rate and therefore have no way of making a justifiable comparison. So I refrain from doing so.

Its called evidence based fitness and you really ought to study it rather than reply on 'opinion'

Sufian wrote:I have a lot of trust in using CrossFit as a strength and conditioning tool for performance in athletes. Just look at team 300. Everyone who comes consistently has improved.

This the reason why, as soon as I can, I want to go for certification. Most prob by 2010.

Contact these guys

They may have something sooner

http://pushmore.blogspot.com/

Crossfit Malaysia in KL

From what i have observed, some coaches are very irreceptive to dissent.For e.g if you deviate from that of conventional wisdom, you get labelled as an "act smart".This happened to me during PE, some of my training beliefs do not exactly concide with the teacher's and there is a clash.

However, this is not a matter of whether i follow the training regime, it just happened that she overheard me dishing out some advice to someone who wants to build up his physique.

Where are the Olympic level contenders athletes? Pro football/baseball/basketball players or even MMA from cross fit?
Name me one NFL/MBL/NBA/NHL player that is playing now that is at the top using crossfit?

oh wait, none. I rest my case.
So its just like bragging that the military uses cross fit, so what?

I don't see military personals interested in breaking world records or being the best in their game but only survival.
What evidence?

Eva T. is a 2X Olympian in Alpine Skiing ( Albertville and Lillehammer ) and a 12 year veteran of the U.S. Ski Team. She has won 6 National Championships, Won a world Championship Bronze Medal, and is a World Technical Skiing Champion. She is now sharing her ski skills on the hill, as well as teaching people how to move off the hill through Crossfit. Also, she works as a Ski Racing Commentator. Her passion is surfing. Her profession is athletics, and she loves both teaching and performing them.

http://skievat.blogspot.com/

This is hard to watch when one side isn't even "wise" enough to bring a knife to a gunfight...

Nevermind, continue

KEVIN LIM wrote:Eva T. is a 2X Olympian in Alpine Skiing ( Albertville and Lillehammer ) and a 12 year veteran of the U.S. Ski Team. She has won 6 National Championships, Won a world Championship Bronze Medal, and is a World Technical Skiing Champion. She is now sharing her ski skills on the hill, as well as teaching people how to move off the hill through Crossfit. Also, she works as a Ski Racing Commentator. Her passion is surfing. Her profession is athletics, and she loves both teaching and performing them.

http://skievat.blogspot.com/

Did she use crossfit to win those medals?
Or discovered it after?

aaron wrote:aha just on a side note, im interested to know how much your charges' results has improved after the 12 sessions kevin, as in not by percentages but the original timings and scores, and the after timings and scores, think cld share?

galapogos wrote:
Personally I think athletes should be on a need to know basis, unless they sincerely want to know more. Know enough to get the job done, and do it. It's the coach's job to know the "who what where how why when which", but when the athlete in under a good coach, he just has to know "what", and then do it.

aha i agree with goi too, sure if there're no limiting factors, rationale wld be awesome. but on the other hand if rationale wld provide a circumstance in which the athletes question the coaches then neh, id rather keep it simple for me lol jmo though.

its like when i used to be trng say in cathigh, i nvr questioned the medicine balls, they helped(no idea in what sense what i first started doing, but found out myself later) so i just did, never questioned the intervals though the whole team puked like jokers, simply did em. trained in tkd, rattled on my shins with chopsticks and pens and whatnot throughout the day whilst not trng, painful sure but nvr asked why though pretty simple to figure. for myself from an athlete's point of view, id rather shut up, take my program straight out of coach's mouth and just do it first, ask the questions later cos i realise too many questions ah and i dont feel like doing alr.

Will pm you and ryan

Weib wrote:

KEVIN LIM wrote:Eva T. is a 2X Olympian in Alpine Skiing ( Albertville and Lillehammer ) and a 12 year veteran of the U.S. Ski Team. She has won 6 National Championships, Won a world Championship Bronze Medal, and is a World Technical Skiing Champion. She is now sharing her ski skills on the hill, as well as teaching people how to move off the hill through Crossfit. Also, she works as a Ski Racing Commentator. Her passion is surfing. Her profession is athletics, and she loves both teaching and performing them.

http://skievat.blogspot.com/

Did she use crossfit to win those medals?
Or discovered it after?

Read her blog

Canuck eh wrote:This is hard to watch when one side isn't even "wise" enough to bring a knife to a gunfight...

Nevermind, continue

hahaha you never fail to crack me up Keith

Weib wrote:Where are the Olympic level contenders athletes? Pro football/baseball/basketball players or even MMA from cross fit?
Name me one NFL/MBL/NBA/NHL player that is playing now that is at the top using crossfit?

oh wait, none. I rest my case.

Okaaayyyyy.

Heres one Olympian.

http://www.modbee.com/1534/story/411421.html

But guess what, me citing one Olympian does not prove my point.

Go and listen to this ALL the way through

http://library.crossfit.com/free/video/ ... ge3QA1.mov

Then play it again.

As your to lazy to do your own research i'll summarize it for you.....

Coach Glassman
"guess what, I'm not saying that if you do crossfit, and you walk into a jiujitsu gym your going to be tapping people out...... no way, that will not happen, you need to practice your sport to be any good at it"

"crossfit is just GPP"

Is that clear enough for you?

"But the real cool thing is that even in elite athletes, they all generally have a chink in their GPP armour, if you fix it then they improve. why is that? we don't know, nor do we care, we are only intereted in that it happens"

"one example of this is the US ski team that reported improved skiing performance by learning to do pull ups"

Weib wrote:So its just like bragging that the military uses cross fit, so what?

I don't see military personals interested in breaking world records or being the best in their game but only survival.
What evidence?

The military's aim is not survival you idiot. Its winning.

Its a large but subtle distinction.

Professionally, I only care about sports and making it fun. I have not seen a more fun way to train for general fitness than crossfit. Seriously. And, obviously I would not use Crossfit exclusively to train soccer players for soccer, or rugby players for rugby, or softball players for softball. What these guys have in common is that fitness, game fitness especially, is very important in improving their game. I don't care about the elite athletes. I care about the masses who want to enjoy the game, but is limited by lack of general fitness to truly enjoy a sport.

GPP is what majority of the beginners in any sport need. And, this is what I believe Crossfit offers. I don't even need to be good at it. I just need to carry on getting better and better.

jerry.mobbs wrote:

Sufian wrote:I have a lot of trust in using CrossFit as a strength and conditioning tool for performance in athletes. Just look at team 300. Everyone who comes consistently has improved.

This the reason why, as soon as I can, I want to go for certification. Most prob by 2010.

Contact these guys

They may have something sooner

http://pushmore.blogspot.com/

Crossfit Malaysia in KL

Thanks for this. Will contact them.

Sufian wrote:Professionally, I only care about sports and making it fun. I have not seen a more fun way to train for general fitness than crossfit. Seriously. And, obviously I would not use Crossfit exclusively to train soccer players for soccer, or rugby players for rugby, or softball players for softball. What these guys have in common is that fitness, game fitness especially, is very important in improving their game. I don't care about the elite athletes. I care about the masses who want to enjoy the game, but is limited by lack of general fitness to truly enjoy a sport.

GPP is what majority of the beginners in any sport need. And, this is what I believe Crossfit offers. I don't even need to be good at it. I just need to carry on getting better and better.

You have the the nail on the head.

Next time I'm up in Sg, i'll drop you a line. We can talk about what eqpt you have in your new job, and run through ideas on how to scale workouts for different populations, abilities etc.

Some things for you to think about though when doing your own programming...

1. Avoid putting lots of 400m runs in there. They will 'coast' the run and the intensity drops off as they are away form 'coaches' eye!

2. Put lots of running in if you have kids and they are doing technical movements (snatches etc). It will 'reset' their form and help keep the intensity up...

Confused huh?

Get in touch with Jeff Martin at BrandX. He runs the kids programming and they have a good magazine called Crossfit Kids

Its not rocket science ;-)

jerry.mobbs wrote:

Sufian wrote:I have a lot of trust in using CrossFit as a strength and conditioning tool for performance in athletes. Just look at team 300. Everyone who comes consistently has improved.

This the reason why, as soon as I can, I want to go for certification. Most prob by 2010.

Contact these guys

They may have something sooner

http://pushmore.blogspot.com/

Crossfit Malaysia in KL

Does it matter where you take the certification?Are there large variances in the knowledge and teaching abilities of the instructors at various certifications, i.e. do I get Rippetoe certifying me if I go to Wichita Falls, and some random Level 1 schmuck if I do it at CF Malaysia? I think that makes a huge difference. Might be worth paying the price for Sufian to go to a good certification rather than a generic one. He's after the knowledge after all, not the certificate, and I suspect the school will be paying for his expenses so why not?

well sports isn't as much GPP whether you like to view it that way or not, program design and periodization for a swimmer won't be the same with a MMA fighter.
With the tight deadline and a make or break event, why would anyone want to waste their time on GPP when strength/speed and power is the name of any game in sports which is harder to train compared to training everything at once.

so how does that apply to anything that has transpired from what i posted to your CF apologetics? I didn't know the military was interested in breaking winning medals and breaking world records in a sports environment too.

Thanks for the offer Jerry. I would be happy to receive tips from ya. BTW, I just want the cetification to cover my ass in school. I already have some bit of try outs from planning for the 300, and also including CF workouts in my lessons. Anyway, I would be glad to receive help from someone more experienced.

Weib wrote:well sports isn't as much GPP whether you like to view it that way or not, program design and periodization for a swimmer won't be the same with a MMA fighter.
With the tight deadline and a make or break event, why would anyone want to waste their time on GPP when strength/speed and power is the name of any game in sports which is harder to train compared to training everything at once.

so how does that apply to anything that has transpired from what i posted to your CF apologetics? I didn't know the military was interested in breaking winning medals and breaking world records in a sports environment too.

Heres a shovel Louis,

Go and dig yourself a deeper hole.

Did you listen to the article I posted?

Why you of all people are talking about elite performance when you cant even pass the ippt is beyond me.

May I suggest you work on GPP, then you may understand what your talking about?

Weib wrote:well sports isn't as much GPP whether you like to view it that way or not, program design and periodization for a swimmer won't be the same with a MMA fighter.
With the tight deadline and a make or break event, why would anyone want to waste their time on GPP when strength/speed and power is the name of any game in sports which is harder to train compared to training everything at once.

so how does that apply to anything that has transpired from what i posted to your CF apologetics? I didn't know the military was interested in breaking winning medals and breaking world records in a sports environment too.

This may be true for more competitive athletes, but like Sufian mentioned, he's working with regular kids, maybe not even school team athletes. Most of these athletes lack GPP and basic strength levels to begin with, so that would be a good place to start them off. As much as I'm not a CF fan, I gotta admit it is pretty good at getting GPP and basic strength levels up assuming the instructor is capable of preventing injuries in a large group setting. I believe this is possible with our Mr "Safety-First" Sufian. Not that you can't do it on your own with some circuit training or our 300 type workouts. But CF is more recognized and convenient and so might be an easier sell to the school and students.

jerry.mobbs wrote:

Weib wrote:well sports isn't as much GPP whether you like to view it that way or not, program design and periodization for a swimmer won't be the same with a MMA fighter.
With the tight deadline and a make or break event, why would anyone want to waste their time on GPP when strength/speed and power is the name of any game in sports which is harder to train compared to training everything at once.

so how does that apply to anything that has transpired from what i posted to your CF apologetics? I didn't know the military was interested in breaking winning medals and breaking world records in a sports environment too.

Heres a shovel Louis,

Go and dig yourself a deeper hole.

Did you listen to the article I posted?

Why you of all people are talking about elite performance when you cant even pass the ippt is beyond me.

May I suggest you work on GPP, then you may understand what your talking about?

Stick and stones...jerry

taking a dig at me to defend your religion now that hurts.