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Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:02 pm**

How up-to-date are we, or are we still slow to catch on new ideas?

Well, i start seeing more sports team(sch level) nowadays implement medicine ball wall throws and passes etc.Instead of just the standard jog 50 rounds stuff.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:12 pm**

I would say that there has been improvement along the years. And, FYI, medicine ball throws has always been around. Even since I was in JC. Maybe joining a sports team would expose u to more "new" methods of training.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:23 pm**

It has become more commonplace.

I used to swim when i was younger at aqua swimming club(smth like that) 4x a week at RI(training venue only).Was 11 or so.

For strength and conditioning, same old push ups, sit ups and running stuff.

I was near competitive level until i lost motivation.Damn, should have stayed.

Think aaron should know, that club has a lot of cat high swimmers.

One thing i dislike about most sch sport's team is that they are too goddamn serious about everything.You need to surpass some criteria or smth.They dont allow for recreational purposes.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:53 pm**

Well I was lucky to get into my school's track team, though in retrospect the training was very bad. We pretty much coasted along with our own talent(which I didn't have much of to start with) so we never got very far. Explains why my event's school record, which is unimpressive in the first place, was unbroken in over 30 years. Hopefully someone has broken it by now.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:57 pm**

That is why, there is a place for CCA, and there is a place for PE.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:02 pm**

Sufian wrote:That is why, there is a place for CCA, and there is a place for PE.

So bro you still getting the tires?

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:06 pm**

at my new place, definitely.

Haha.

Moving to JJC in March. No more Maths for me, its full time PE liau...

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:07 pm**

Sufian wrote:at my new place, definitely.

Haha.

Moving to JJC in March. No more Maths for me, its full time PE liau...

Wow nice,back to our old school...but I checked the website,most of the teachers during our time gone liao...

Let me know when you're getting them.I would love to help my juniors as well.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:12 pm**

Sufian wrote:That is why, there is a place for CCA, and there is a place for PE.

And a place for...300!!!

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:12 pm**

Only Ng Chor Tan is the one I remember, and he will be my new HOD.. the rest all I don't know. haha

Need to get accustomed to the place first, make new friends, then will try to fit in some strength and conditioning components in the PE or CCA curriculum. Most prob, next year's SOW.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:12 pm**

Sufian wrote:at my new place, definitely.

Haha.

Moving to JJC in June. No more Maths for me, its full time PE liau...

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:20 pm**

aha they still do tons of stupid stuff in the clubs so dont worry about that LOL my bro was in apsc as well and the last time i visited him while he was trng, saw some jokers curling in the gym haha.

yeah and med balls were always part of trng though, just nothing more than that.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:23 pm**

I wonder do they even know what the med ball throws and passing is for..

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:28 pm**

lol sometimes i think knowing is good, but even if dno, doing wld suffice. knowing too much but not doing definitely not good, so whether they know or not, so long as they're doing then does it really matter?

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:47 pm**

Of course it does.

A tool is only as useful as how its being used with full knowledge on how to use it.
With proper education, instructions and coaching, a drill/exercise/movement will be better executed..improving quality of the training and understanding by the participants.

Nobody can know too much, have you heard of anyone having too much education.. its bad coaching, communication and little or poor progression that confuses people.

Posted: **Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:57 pm**

i agree with you to a certain extent, but sometimes perhaps ppl just have to start doing things first before going ahead to understand them.

besides id rather ppl do than ask, because asking doesnt mean they will do, understanding doesnt mean they will carry it out, however doing it cuts it straight to the point- things get done correctly and thats how id rather it be.

perhaps an eg wld be like honestly you know your stuff, but knowing them and doing them are two different things right? you do know how to train for ur 2.4, i dont think sufian or me or anybody has to chime in with a programme for you to actl train, but whether you do the trng or not is a different thing, and to me, if you didnt know how to train, id rather i tell you what to do and you just do it, than you know what i know, but you dont do it. no offence here ah, jm two cents though aha

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:08 am**

what have 2.4 got to do with med ball throws that are prescribed?
You're digressing and missing the point.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:16 am**

i get your point. that was an example lol.

all im trying to put across is, that id rather my athletes do what i prescribe, than know what i will prescribe and not do, thats all and other than that, i agree with what you say as well.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:37 am**

Then what is the coaches responsibility and role in the team?
bark instruction and expect them to know everything or be more involved and coach?

Imagine you're learning driving, and the first lesson the instructor just say to you - eh start the engine, step brake then step clutch, shift gear 1, release clutch and press accelerator..don't ask so much just do it.

Is this better than,

Start the engine and step on the break to stop the car first, then step on clutch to release the gear so that you can shift into gear 1 after which you can release the clutch slowly and step on the accelerator to get the car going..

a little goes a long way then don't ask so much, don't need to know, just do it.
Unless the coach have no idea what he's doing too or he's coaching complete idiots.

I think we've evolved from being drones to people who can use their brains.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:43 am**

Wax on...wax off...

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:48 am**

thats a lousy example, cos if you dno the clutch connects and disconnects the gear, and what the accelerator does you probably wld have failed your final theory which means youve not business being at the wheel.

precisely because we are ppl who are able to think that we will ask our coaches, oh what is this and this for, is what im doing correct, is my form gd etc etc. its being proactive on the part of the athletes firstly. you haven't worked with an entire team before, but sometimes you work with large groups of ppl and you might find you don't have the time nor do you want to explain what you're doing to all your charges.

i used to do rugby a lil while in cj, and i did the strength and conditioning for my team cos my coach acknowledged that all he knew abt was with rugby and not much with s&c. what did i do? i didnt show my team so and so, then explain the rationale behind why we're doing such things. i showed them, they did it, i showed sth else, tell them how the program's like, and they just do it, no questions asked whatsoever. they're already not talented and need all the time to practise, and we were trng like 3-9 during the hols, ask anymore questions what time wld we go home?

sure they did ask me stuff in the locker room, back home on msn, or called me up- proving they're not complete jokers. did i not know what i was doing then? or was i coaching complete idiots?

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:49 am**

most times, explaining the rationale in doing cetain stuffs is the way to go.

But, at times, when further questioning will just lead to questioning, and total refusal to do, then its best to proceed without prior knowledge.

Being a coach, u do not really need to tell your trainees what each exercise is for before they do it. Telling them after the exercise is executed is also ok.Personal training is different, as u are training a small group at most, but coaching is different. YOu have to mould a group, a tight group.

Providing rationale will spur interest in some individuals. If this fails, there are other methods. (CLarifying conflicts, providing options/autonomy, providing incentives... etc)

Please do not think that our coaches are idiots. They are not. They may not embrace all the "new-style" ways and methodologies of the west, but sometimes sticking to a winning formula is best. But, in general , S and C in Singapore schools is definitely picking up.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:33 am**

Sufian wrote:most times, explaining the rationale in doing cetain stuffs is the way to go.

But, at times, when further questioning will just lead to questioning, and total refusal to do, then its best to proceed without prior knowledge.

Being a coach, u do not really need to tell your trainees what each exercise is for before they do it. Telling them after the exercise is executed is also ok.Personal training is different, as u are training a small group at most, but coaching is different. YOu have to mould a group, a tight group.

Providing rationale will spur interest in some individuals. If this fails, there are other methods. (CLarifying conflicts, providing options/autonomy, providing incentives... etc)

Please do not think that our coaches are idiots. They are not. They may not embrace all the "new-style" ways and methodologies of the west, but sometimes sticking to a winning formula is best. But, in general , S and C in Singapore schools is definitely picking up.

Sorry I have to disagree to a certain extend to this bro, just my 2 cents worth. If a coach demonstrates great instructional, delivery and explanation of the movement and excercise, there would be no room left for doubts and second guessing. There isn't much difference in personal training and coaching, the need for visual perspicacity, knowledge of movements and instructional/delivery techniques are identical.
The S&C scene has evolved greatly in the world, gone are the days when a tennis player will mimic the tennis stroke on the pulley system (the so called Sports specific training). Visit the S&C gyms of international elite athletes, be it the NBA players or New Zealand All Blacks and you will find that their S&C training are identical.
Though the S&C scene in Singapore is slowly trying to adopt new training methodology, they are still stuck pretty far behind others, just look at where are we ranked internationally. I am not saying our athletes or coaches are weak but its our close mindedness that needs addressing first. I'm sure you are facing the same problem with your school not wanting to "fix something that is not broken".

A mediocre Coach will tell, a good Coach will demonstrate, an excellent Coach will lead by example, an Extraordinary Coach will Inspire.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:06 am**

no problem bro. REally no offense taken.

As I mentioned, I always provide rationale and choice. This is to prevent conflict. But, there will be some "outstanding" ones here and there who would still find a way out of executing your plans, no matter how great instruction, rationale and delivery is. I always try to include as many as I can, and preclude no one, unless for safety reasons.

I know Singapore is far behind, but thats where people like you and me make the difference. We try to infuse new methods, even when at times it is against the iron gate of the the old, even when it means i would not be popular amongst my peers. And, honestly, there are many many others who are trying to do this, inculcating new methodologies. Singapore Rugby Union has also amended their school sylabus to embrace met con, olym lifting, ladders, beep, tyre drills even at school level, when previously it was the privelege of the national guys.
I am sure other sports too.

And, I may not always inspire my charges, but I jolly well make sure I always lead by example. Haha. And, as u mentioned, the close-mindedness of the management can either kill ur enthusiasm, or break u down. Well, what we can do is just persevere. When there is a will, there is a way.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:09 am**

KEVIN LIM wrote:A mediocre Coach will tell, a good Coach will demonstrate, an excellent Coach will lead by example, an Extraordinary Coach will Inspire.

great quote!

well imho, it ultimately boils down to how MUCH the athletes really want to know. extra knowledge wouldn't hurt, but is it a necessity? Sure you can open the doors for them, but ultimately it's up to them to walk through it.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:36 am**

Sufian wrote:no problem bro. REally no offense taken.

As I mentioned, I always provide rationale and choice. This is to prevent conflict. But, there will be some "outstanding" ones here and there who would still find a way out of executing your plans, no matter how great instruction, rationale and delivery is. I always try to include as many as I can, and preclude no one, unless for safety reasons.

I know Singapore is far behind, but thats where people like you and me make the difference. We try to infuse new methods, even when at times it is against the iron gate of the the old, even when it means i would not be popular amongst my peers. And, honestly, there are many many others who are trying to do this, inculcating new methodologies. Singapore Rugby Union has also amended their school sylabus to embrace met con, olym lifting, ladders, beep, tyre drills even at school level, when previously it was the privelege of the national guys.
I am sure other sports too.

And, I may not always inspire my charges, but I jolly well make sure I always lead by example. Haha. And, as u mentioned, the close-mindedness of the management can either kill ur enthusiasm, or break u down. Well, what we can do is just persevere. When there is a will, there is a way.

I think it frustrates you more than me cause you are working in that kinda enviorment. I can really feel for you bro. Things would have been so much simpler if you only have to answer to the athletes and produce results...end of story
Having said that I do have my fair share of banging the wall when I present my proposal to some assiociations here.
PERSEVERE, PERSEVERE, PERSEVERE until we produce winning teams.
Just a side note, (NOT trying to show off but I sincerely want to help change your schools mindset). The latest NAPFA results for VJC is out. Athletes' overall performance inproved only after 12 sessions of Crossfit. Do let me know if I could be of any help.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:44 am**

Personally I think athletes should be on a need to know basis, unless they sincerely want to know more. Know enough to get the job done, and do it. It's the coach's job to know the "who what where how why when which", but when the athlete in under a good coach, he just has to know "what", and then do it.

As for NAPFA, I don't think it's difficult at all for most of these young kids to improve their score, simply coz they're mostly untrained, and for untrained individuals, anything works, so it's not really the CF training style per se that brought about the improvement. I will admit thought that it is extremely difficult to get them to train regularly enough to improve their scores, with the PSP, Wii, their PC, members of the opposite sex, TV, movies, Zouk, etc all vying for their attention. If CF manages to be interesting enough to capture their interest, more power to them and you!

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:46 am**

vicvic wrote:
KEVIN LIM wrote:A mediocre Coach will tell, a good Coach will demonstrate, an excellent Coach will lead by example, an Extraordinary Coach will Inspire.
great quote!

well imho, it ultimately boils down to how MUCH the athletes really want to know. extra knowledge wouldn't hurt, but is it a necessity? Sure you can open the doors for them, but ultimately it's up to them to walk through it.

IMHO base on what I experienced , competitive athletes don't really care what they are doing, they just want to see results so they will just do whatever that helps them get stronger, faster, jump higher, throw further ........ but it is still my duty as a coach to brief, delivere, explain, demonstrate, address and fix faults, lead by example and to inspire athletes to strive for Effiency and Efficacy and Excellence.

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:48 am**

galapogos wrote:Personally I think athletes should be on a need to know basis, unless they sincerely want to know more. Know enough to get the job done, and do it. It's the coach's job to know the "who what where how why when which", but when the athlete in under a good coach, he just has to know "what", and then do it.

As for NAPFA, I don't think it's difficult at all for most of these young kids to improve their score, simply coz they're mostly untrained, and for untrained individuals, anything works, so it's not really the CF training style per se that brought about the improvement. I will admit thought that it is extremely difficult to get them to train regularly enough to improve their scores, with the PSP, Wii, their PC, members of the opposite sex, TV, movies, Zouk, etc all vying for their attention. If CF manages to be interesting enough to capture their interest, more power to them and you!

Score sheets and stop watch don't lie

Posted: **Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:10 am**

Sufian wrote:Only Ng Chor Tan is the one I remember, and he will be my new HOD.. the rest all I don't know. haha

Need to get accustomed to the place first, make new friends, then will try to fit in some strength and conditioning components in the PE or CCA curriculum. Most prob, next year's SOW.

Hey,I just looked at the staff under People Development Department(didnt look at this the other time)

Mr Ang,Ms Leo were already teaching PE during our time.

And

The infamous Lee Hee Fock is still there!

Anyway,besides tires,you can also look into sandbag training since these two are the cheapest forms of odd object training.

Sufian,you can be a trailblazer by being the first teacher to incorporate odd object training into the PE curriculum!Perhaps one day,we will see you featured in Contact for that! Good for your EPMS under the section of innovation as well.

When you get featured in Contact,don't forgot about me hor...coz I can write in my own EPMS as well.

(The guy who brought my team to Hong Lim CC probably has thought of enhancing his portfolio when he did that)

Perhaps Sam and I(or just one of us) can conduct a workshop on odd object training for the kids...and you take it up from there.

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