Strength and Conditioning scene in Singapore

[Weib]

well sports isn't as much GPP whether you like to view it that way or not, program design and periodization for a swimmer won't be the same with a MMA fighter.
With the tight deadline and a make or break event, why would anyone want to waste their time on GPP when strength/speed and power is the name of any game in sports which is harder to train compared to training everything at once.

so how does that apply to anything that has transpired from what i posted to your CF apologetics? I didn't know the military was interested in breaking winning medals and breaking world records in a sports environment too.

This may be true for more competitive athletes, but like Sufian mentioned, he's working with regular kids, maybe not even school team athletes. Most of these athletes lack GPP and basic strength levels to begin with, so that would be a good place to start them off. As much as I'm not a CF fan, I gotta admit it is pretty good at getting GPP and basic strength levels up assuming the instructor is capable of preventing injuries in a large group setting. I believe this is possible with our Mr "Safety-First" Sufian. Not that you can't do it on your own with some circuit training or our 300 type workouts. But CF is more recognized and convenient and so might be an easier sell to the school and students.

Hey i didn't bring in the military and the USMC...
I was just stating not to JUST rely only on CF kind of training but look at how things are ran outside of it also. Thats all...

But well i got jumped at the corner lol

[galapogos]

well sports isn't as much GPP whether you like to view it that way or not, program design and periodization for a swimmer won't be the same with a MMA fighter.
With the tight deadline and a make or break event, why would anyone want to waste their time on GPP when strength/speed and power is the name of any game in sports which is harder to train compared to training everything at once.

so how does that apply to anything that has transpired from what i posted to your CF apologetics? I didn't know the military was interested in breaking winning medals and breaking world records in a sports environment too.

This may be true for more competitive athletes, but like Sufian mentioned, he's working with regular kids, maybe not even school team athletes. Most of these athletes lack GPP and basic strength levels to begin with, so that would be a good place to start them off. As much as I'm not a CF fan, I gotta admit it is pretty good at getting GPP and basic strength levels up assuming the instructor is capable of preventing injuries in a large group setting. I believe this is possible with our Mr "Safety-First" Sufian. Not that you can't do it on your own with some circuit training or our 300 type workouts. But CF is more recognized and convenient and so might be an easier sell to the school and students.

Hey i didn't bring in the military and the USMC...
I was just stating not to JUST rely only on CF kind of training but look at how things are ran outside of it also. Thats all...

But well i got jumped at the corner lol

Fair enough. And like Sufian mentioned, he will not be using just CF for his students. So it's settled then.

[Derek]

This is a great thread and it should be stickied.

[jerry.mobbs]

well sports isn't as much GPP whether you like to view it that way or not, program design and periodization for a swimmer won't be the same with a MMA fighter.
With the tight deadline and a make or break event, why would anyone want to waste their time on GPP when strength/speed and power is the name of any game in sports which is harder to train compared to training everything at once.

so how does that apply to anything that has transpired from what i posted to your CF apologetics? I didn't know the military was interested in breaking winning medals and breaking world records in a sports environment too.

Heres a shovel Louis,

Go and dig yourself a deeper hole.

Did you listen to the article I posted?

Why you of all people are talking about elite performance when you cant even pass the ippt is beyond me.

May I suggest you work on GPP, then you may understand what your talking about?

Stick and stones...jerry

taking a dig at me to defend your religion now that hurts.

It's a serious point

Think about it

Your young, injury free , access to quality info on strengthcoach.com and you cannot even pass ippt?

Makes you wonder doesn't it...........

[h]

your opinion don't carry much weight if you're not competent.. it's the same in any field...

[Jordon]

don't be stubborn, be useful

[jerry.mobbs]

Sorry Louis

I'm just being cruel to be kind....

[jerry.mobbs]

Sufian

Check this link out

http://www.crossfitkids.com/

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html#KIDS

you can get a ton of ideas for kids there

[alex]

Jerry, maybe you do not know.

But he is coaching kids in their late teens at a college level.

[jerry.mobbs]

No I did not

Thanks

[Weib]

i LOLed with the replies actually..

[aaron]

haha hyo is so very right. lol every other coach cld learn what we're learning or already know, sometimes it might be our own experience that will set us apart. wld you rather trust a grad that has a cert in everything else including rocket science and can name to you all the funny bodyparts or wld you rather trust a coach who has no certs but can run a 4min mile lol.

[h]

haha hyo is so very right. lol every other coach cld learn what we're learning or already know, sometimes it might be our own experience that will set us apart. wld you rather trust a grad that has a cert in everything else including rocket science and can name to you all the funny bodyparts or wld you rather trust a coach who has no certs but can run a 4min mile lol.

...i suppose one example is christian thibaudeau.
his popularity on t-nation skyrocketed when he lost his beer gut.

i'm sure he already knew tons of shit even when he had a beer gut, but not too many gave a fuck until he showed everyone what he can 'do'......

and i figure there is not much point in listening to people who don't do whatever it is they're preaching... in fact, if they're not 'doing' then what exactly do they know?

[Weib]

chris was mentored under poliquin.
most of his philosophies are the same with CP actually cept for this quasi isometric holds and slow eccentrics.

quite good insights actually with his books with regards to nutrition and performance but t nation is a bber site so i guess he wanted to get into the bber market.

[h]

.............I'm not really talking about thibaudeau
but i guess it doesn't really matter

[aaron]

hahahahahah wth LOL had to read it twice haha

[Weib]

can't i just make conversation

[jerry.mobbs]

can't i just make conversation

Only if you start talking sensibly and logically...

Use hardware zone for 'conversation'.

[KEVIN LIM]

hahahahah Louis, I think you are the most misunderstood character in this forum LOL

[KEVIN LIM]

I have a lot of trust in using CrossFit as a strength and conditioning tool for performance in athletes. Just look at team 300. Everyone who comes consistently has improved.

This the reason why, as soon as I can, I want to go for certification. Most prob by 2010.

Contact these guys

They may have something sooner

http://pushmore.blogspot.com/

Crossfit Malaysia in KL

Does it matter where you take the certification?Are there large variances in the knowledge and teaching abilities of the instructors at various certifications, i.e. do I get Rippetoe certifying me if I go to Wichita Falls, and some random Level 1 schmuck if I do it at CF Malaysia? I think that makes a huge difference. Might be worth paying the price for Sufian to go to a good certification rather than a generic one. He's after the knowledge after all, not the certificate, and I suspect the school will be paying for his expenses so why not?

The certification will only be conducted by the coach and his team. Doing it in Malaysia would be more cost effective for Suffian. And when we have an affiliation here in Singapore, we can invite the coach over to conduct a certification.

[Weib]

It is talking trash.
Sides if everyone is so politically correct, then wheres the fun?

[jerry.mobbs]

It is talking trash.
Sides if everyone is so politically correct, then wheres the fun?

Someone may be dumb enough to actually believe anything you write?

Now we would not want them wasting their time would we.....

[KEVIN LIM]

hahahahaha Louis louis

[Weib]

nobody have to believe me.
I'm not a closet evangelist =)

Free thought and expression.

[Jonathan]

It's a serious point

Think about it

Your young, injury free , access to quality info on strengthcoach.com and you cannot even pass ippt?

Makes you wonder doesn't it...........

It's all on the inside Jerry, it's all on the inside!

[hematite]

I have a lot of trust in using CrossFit as a strength and conditioning tool for performance in athletes. Just look at team 300. Everyone who comes consistently has improved.

This the reason why, as soon as I can, I want to go for certification. Most prob by 2010.

Contact these guys

They may have something sooner

http://pushmore.blogspot.com/

Crossfit Malaysia in KL
Does it matter where you take the certification?Are there large variances in the knowledge and teaching abilities of the instructors at various certifications, i.e. do I get Rippetoe certifying me if I go to Wichita Falls, and some random Level 1 schmuck if I do it at CF Malaysia? I think that makes a huge difference. Might be worth paying the price for Sufian to go to a good certification rather than a generic one. He's after the knowledge after all, not the certificate, and I suspect the school will be paying for his expenses so why not?

The certification will only be conducted by the coach and his team. Doing it in Malaysia would be more cost effective for Suffian. And when we have an affiliation here in Singapore, we can invite the coach over to conduct a certification.

sufian, count me in..if you are going...we can drive there...!

[jerry.mobbs]

...i suppose one example is christian thibaudeau.
his popularity on t-nation skyrocketed when he lost his beer gut.

i'm sure he already knew tons of shit even when he had a beer gut, but not too many gave a fuck until he showed everyone what he can 'do'......

and i figure there is not much point in listening to people who don't do whatever it is they're preaching... in fact, if they're not 'doing' then what exactly do they know?

Looking the part is one thing , or you could be a bit of a chubster and be turning out guys who place in the top 10 of the crossfit games. After all results count.

The problem for louis is that he has neither the look nor the results.

[h]

i wasn't suggesting that every trainer/coach needs to 'look the part'

neither boyle nor glassman look like they train now (i'm sure as a former power lifter and a gymnast, they did once), but nobody will argue with their results.

my point was that for guys starting out (or with little experience), their body is their biggest (and often only) portfolio.
so if they're not 'doing' what they preach (or rather, don't look like it), it's rather hard to convince anyone that they're right.

i.e.
if your idea is so good, then why are you not doing it? (why are you selling shit that you yourself don't use?)
if you're doing it, then why don't you look like it (can't be that good)

at least that's the way i see things.

thus...disappointment from seeing the following:

I don't get a trophy for being the one who can eat the cleanest or workout the most nor am i an athlete in any sport where my income depended on it, so why kill myself over it?

Life is short, live a little.

-note-
i don't know how long thibaudeau had been training people when he went through his own transformation.
just seemed like a good example of a guy that saw a great benefit from 'doing'

[Weib]

Depends on your target market, most of them are happy to lose their gut and butts rather than having a 6 pac or breaking records.
There is more to it than just aesthetic, being a motivator and solution finder for their lifestyle overhaul is more important.
understanding the troubles and learning hectic their lives are and then getting to change their mindset is paramount.
They're happy with the results of being stronger, getting leaner and having more energy.

getting them to choose better diets is already a uphill struggle, the rest is fairly easy really.
You generalize a trainer/coach for yourself not for the mainstream market.

[h]

...what i posted isn't restricted to trainers.

we all read same (similar) math textbooks, but some are better at maths than others. some people just put more hours into 'practicing.'
you can read all the books written by great minds, but until you put in countless hours of practice, none of it matters.
some exams may not be fair, but it works because it generally shows who went just beyond 'reading the books'


if you don't have many clients, where-else but with your own body to practice some of these ideas with?

you claimed to have read 'metabolism advantage' and experimented with g-flux...
how would you demonstrate your understanding of the concept?
if you send your before/after pictures along with your log, do you think berardi will say "you know g-flux"?