Food for thought

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:39 pm

I happen to see this deleted post from lo and behold ...

Just like what you guys have been suspecting ... of course this doesn't mean they're the same person, still ...

Weib · Post by **Weib** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:42 pm

its him la.
from day one i knew something was fishy, his directions and philosophies are too uniquely similar.

All you gotta do is trace his IP, since he's in the US.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:51 pm

Both posts happened consecutively, 1hr apart.

Weib · Post by **Weib** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:02 pm

can't check the logs for the ip?

Post by **galapogos** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:21 pm

Huh? I don't get it. Peter posted something from the dead? I don't see that 1st post there now.

Post by **galapogos** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:51 pm

anyway jonchan66 claims to be from american club. can we get kevin lim to csi for us?

also, vurt maybe get vijay to do an ip check.

vicvic · Post by **vicvic** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:24 pm

wah this is getting very interesting...

what is he trying to do? why turn all nice and helpful now...

Canuck eh · Post by **Canuck eh** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:46 pm

Nah, spelling and grammar are miles ahead...

Post by **Twxian** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:47 pm

maybe he puts it through a microsoft word spell and grammer check before he posts

Yxy · Post by **Yxy** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:46 pm

it's just so freaking obvious now...i wonder why he bothers though
and i still want my money back...zzz

coachrouse · Post by **coachrouse** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:55 am

idiots

Weib · Post by **Weib** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:28 am

guess who's back...back again~
guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back..

Seeing that you have provided no scientific evidence to back up anything you have said apart from an article which is not scientific evidence.

You are so quick to jump on anything you disagree with but so far in every thread you have never provided one piece of evidence. The thread on crossfit you provide statistics of the top three in crossfit to demonstrate of great it is yet we both know that these individuals were already at this level before starting crossfit yet you try to pass it off at actual evidence.

The link was for just general information, nothing more. I have already proven my case where you have provided nothing but you opinion which you are entitled to but you insist that everyone else provide scientific evidence.

see the 2nd paragraph from the photo from optimum.

Jordon · Post by **Jordon** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:40 am

shady's back.... tell a friend.

Post by **galapogos** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:03 am

OK the most recent post he posted sure sounds like Peter. The bad English is back...guess Jerry pushed the right buttons and got his feathers ruffled. Notice the many uses of the word "yet". He tends to do this

Bryan · Post by **Bryan** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:25 am

still alive??

jerry.mobbs · Post by **jerry.mobbs** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:24 am

Its got to be Peter, he refuses to look at the data...

As to his claim that the top 3 were all great before Crossfit, well thats another fallacy.

James Fitzgerald openly acknowledges that he followed Poliquin and got pretty fit. The really interesting thing is that when he started to follow the main page WOD, he improved significantly.

His power to weight ratio went up, his 5km time dropped significantly and his max strength increased or remained static. If thats not evidence of improved work capacity across broad time and modal domains then i don't know what is. Not bad for a mish mash program where you cant get good at anything.
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so there are many people who question CrossFit and its meaning, purpose, safety, origin...yada yada yada...as seen in recent posts/forums (i.e. Mike Boyle and Gray Cook vs. CrossFit) and in the latest t-nation article question of strength October by Charles Poliquin....

those who know me and my background understand that a lot of Charles' concepts and training methodologies have helped me achieve a much braoder concept of performance...and the "little things" that go with that...i am forever grateful for his patience in allowing me to learn about his principles and training programs..

he recently had this to say about my sport;

Cross-what?
Question to Charles: What do you think of that Crossfit stuff?
Answer: I have no clue what the hell that is. Is that one of those systems that's a mish-mash of everything?
Wait, I saw on article on that in Muscle & Fatness. Looked like a bunch of cachexic fitness-model wannabes searching for their souls in the weight room.
It reminds me of a Hungarian proverb: "If you only have one ass, you can't sit on two horses." If you try to do everything in your workout, you get nothing.
Another way to look at it is to think of Tim Ferris's example of wearing your underwear over your pants. It's different, and maybe even fun for some people, but it's not very effective.
No athlete has ever gotten good training like that.

funny for sure...Charles always had a way of invloving humour in place of knowledge...in this case, it hits home...

my stats pre CrossFit on Charles philosophies (i'll just use a few to give you an idea) - bwt avg - 180#, 5K Run - 21:25, DL - 451, Bench - 245, 1RM chin up - 80lbs attached, BF% - 8% average...that was working on an arms, legs, off, torso, off split as well as energy system training on odd pm's ( i ran a 11.58 100 m in this phase)...and if you think it was a mish mash, you're wrong - those who know me know i'm a soldier, when i'm on a program, i'm on a program, no miss wishy washy here...it was tight...for years (within this time i alternated b/t Staley, Westside, and Chek programs...as the saying goes, keep what works, throw away what does not, i obviously stuck with Chuck)

my stats with Crossfit as my template - bwt avg - 163#, 5K - 18:15, DL - 459, Bench - 246, 1RM chin up - 110 lbs attached, BF% - 6% avg...and as you know, i have been at that religiously for 4 years on a 3 on, 1 off schedule with constantly varied sessions...and as mentioned, keep what works, throw away what does not...

the intention of the post is not to critique Charles' comments but to give folks an idea that you CAN have fun, be a good athlete, and go AGAINST the comments of "if you try to do everything, you get nothing"....if i was in Charles' position and if the question was asked to me, my answer would have been "i'm not aware of it and what they do, so i cannot comment"...easy as that

but this just fuels the fire...as with time comes change...it will still take some time but we at OPT are making people more fit than ANY other exercise program can WITH CrossFit methodology...BUT, and here is the big BUT...my clients who are joes and janes are becoming more fit than my athletes...(and not just judging by Crossfit's definition of fitness, we're talking science - anaerobic threshold tests, lactate testing, urine/saliva testing...) and this is while on CrossFit, not another program style...so i can see why people hold on to previous beliefs about periodization and strength training and performance if that is all they knew....i have always been open minded and know what really works for most and what does not...and this skill of having CF as a tool combined with a science background and great coaching will be a lethal combination that all athletes as well as normal rec lifters will be climbing over each other to get at soon..its happening...but it takes time and patience, numbers....Greg has done this on .com for years, we're develping it as well at Crossfit Calgary and OPT...

soon we'l have athletes on the podium and in magazines and on the sides of buses wearing CrossFit gear...then they'll ask that question again in t-nation...and EVERYONE will know the answer....EVERYONE!

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http://www.optimumperformancetraining.blogspot.com/

lips · Post by **lips** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:19 am

and 1 more similar, i pmed jonchan66 also, but no reply! aha

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:23 am

So if he's Peter, what's his reason for posting... again?

Post by **galapogos** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:19 pm

I PMed him twice before he replied. Said he had some problems setting up his PM(sounds familiar?) Then I think he's trying to scare me off with his insane rates of $2000/month with a minimum 6 month commitment for a "full program", whatever that means!

Whether or not this guy is Peter, he's still shady. What kind of rehab/fitness service can he possibly provide that's worth $2000/month?! I don't even think CP charges that much...

Yxy · Post by **Yxy** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:50 pm

he's just trying to smoke you lol
and his "home gym", obviously he dun know the rules, bo peekture ai gong wei...
dua kang as usual

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:24 am

galapogos wrote:Huh? I don't get it. Peter posted something from the dead? I don't see that 1st post there now.

Oh that 1st post is a deleted post. I saw it and who it was from, so I clicked on it to see whassup.

I thought it was a bit too coincidental that Peter posted, deleted it, and then Jonwhoeverfuck posted in the thread an hour later.

So I took a screenshot for you guys in case some of you still need to follow up from whatever happened before. Otherwise I couldn't care less who Jonfuckface is.

Post by **galapogos** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:08 am

Careful...there's another Jon fuckface here who might get offended

jerry.mobbs · Post by **jerry.mobbs** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:09 am

Well the really funny thing is that the same post made its way over to the No Fat Milk thread with a few changes of course....

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showt ... ?t=2147232

Hilarious, but rather sad for an adult don't you think?

And before you ask Goi, this is all conjecture.

Weib · Post by **Weib** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:53 pm

Weib wrote:guess who's back...back again~
guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back..

Seeing that you have provided no scientific evidence to back up anything you have said apart from an article which is not scientific evidence.

You are so quick to jump on anything you disagree with but so far in every thread you have never provided one piece of evidence. The thread on crossfit you provide statistics of the top three in crossfit to demonstrate of great it is yet we both know that these individuals were already at this level before starting crossfit yet you try to pass it off at actual evidence.

The link was for just general information, nothing more. I have already proven my case where you have provided nothing but you opinion which you are entitled to but you insist that everyone else provide scientific evidence.
see the 2nd paragraph from the photo from optimum.

aren't you a lil slow jerry?

Post by **galapogos** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:29 am

Interesting post

They must have gone to grammar school together.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:17 am

So has anyone met this jonfuck? Or is that Peter refering to himself in the third person? Schizo?

jerry.mobbs · Post by **jerry.mobbs** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:08 am

galapogos wrote:Interesting post

They must have gone to grammar school together.

i see we are thinking the same way

thats worrying

Yxy · Post by **Yxy** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:57 am

great minds think alike?

Post by **galapogos** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:07 pm

Well on the flip side, it's fun seeing him and Kentard go at each other

lips · Post by **lips** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:58 pm

mr vurt, the clueless thread has ot, but is it possible not to delete?